This Saturday Morning: Kim starts the morning with Northland's Chloe Phillips-Harris, who has spent time atop a horse in some of the most inhospitable places on earth; two-term New Jersey governor Chris Christie explains why he thinks ignoring his advice doomed the Trump presidency; researcher Joep Rottier rebuts last week's interview criticising the New Zealand sex work industry - he thinks we've got the model right; the head of the House of Travel Chris Paulsen explains how he went from hocking his car to running a company turning over more than two billion dollars a year; NZ-born kinetic sculpture artist Phil Price on his inspirations; playwright David Ireland on why his creative output tends to veer to the violent, and finally, Mexican-American singer-songwriter Alejandro Escovedo on his many near-death experiences.   



8.09 Chloe Phillips-Harris - The life of a fearless adventurer

Chloe Phillips-Harris and her dog Bagera

Chloe Phillips-Harris and her dog Bagera Photo: Supplied

Chloe Phillips-Harris is an intrepid adventurer and equestrian athlete from Northland. She works full-time breaking in and training horses, as well as leading expeditions to far-flung frontiers. Phillips-Harris, 30, has trained wild stallions in New Zealand, helped set up animal welfare organisations to aid working animals in Egypt, India and Fiji, raced across Mongolia, attended the first World Nomad Games in Kyrgyzstan and spent months living in the mountains of Kazakhstan. Her debut book is Fearless: The life of adventurer, equestrian and endurance rider Chloe Phillips-Harris.

Chloe Phillips-Harris: Fearless 


9.06  Chris Christie - Let Me Finish 

A file photo shows Donald Trump, right, and Chris Christie during a break in the Republican Presidential Candidates' Debate in Manchester, New Hampshire, on 6 February 2016.

A file photo shows Donald Trump, right, and Chris Christie during a break in the Republican Presidential Candidates' Debate in New Hampshire on 6 February. Photo: AFP

After dropping out of the 2016 presidential race, Chris Christie stunned the political world by becoming the first major official to endorse Donald Trump. A friend of Trump's for 15 years, the two-term New Jersey governor quickly became one of his most trusted advisers. Tapped with running Trump's transition team, Christie was nearly named his running mate. But within days of Trump's victory over Hillary Clinton, Christie was in for his own surprise: He was booted out. In a new book, Let Me Finish, Christie gives his view on what he says "really happened" on the 2016 campaign trail and inside Trump Tower, including how he came to earn the enduring enmity of Donald Trump's son-in- law, Jared Kushner.


9.35 Joep Rottier - The New Zealand model of sex work 

Joep Rottier

Joep Rottier Photo: supplied

Joep Rottier has recently completed a PhD at the Universiteit Utrecht in The Netherlands, entitled Decriminalization of Sex Work: The New Zealand Model. Rottier visited Aotearoa for several months in 2015/2016 and talked to people across the sex industry after he learned of New Zealand's unique model that sees both sex workers and clients decriminalised - a model he describes as both pragmatic and rational.  Rottier will aim to rebut some of the comments made by radical feminist Julie Bindel, who spoke to Kim last week about what she believes to be the deleterious effects of New Zealand's liberal sex work regime. 

10.04 Chris Paulsen - Founder of the House of Travel talks of trends in tourism 

Chris Paulsen

Chris Paulsen Photo: supplied

Chris Paulsen is the founder, chief executive and chairman of the privately-owned House of Travel. The son of a Lyttleton wharfie, Paulsen started his career in the travel industry with Air New Zealand in 1968 and struck out on his own in 1977, establishing a travel wholesale business after selling his car to fund the start-up. He sold that business to found House of Travel in 1986. The company now boasts a turnover of over $2 billion annually and has 75 stores in New Zealand. Each store is run on a joint ownership model - half-owned by a local owner-operator, and half-owned by House of Travel Holdings. Last year Paulsen was awarded a lifetime award by the Travel Agents Association of New Zealand.

10.40 Phil Price - Master of the kinetic sculpture

Since 2000 New Zealand-born artist Phil Price has focused on creating wind-activated kinetic sculpture. He has worked on major international public and private projects including: Cytoplasm, Auckland's Viaduct basin; Zephyrometer, Rongotai, Wellington; Tree of Life, McClelland Gallery, Victoria; and Snake, Aarhus, Denmark. His work is held in collections around the world including Austria, US, Switzerland, Vietnam, Argentina, Holland, UK, and Australia. Price's work is widely acknowledged for its size, beauty, and evocation on of the natural world. He has been invited to exhibit at Sculpture by the Sea, at Cottesloe, Western Australia -  an annual outdoor sculpture exhibition that transforms the white sands of Cottesloe Beach, March 1-18. Price has created a new 7m high kinetic work titled Ipomoea for the exhibition. One of his works is also showing at the Sculpture on the Gulf exhibition which opened yesterday on Waiheke Island.

11.04  David Ireland - Ulster American comes to Aotearoa

David Ireland

David Ireland Photo: supplied

Originally from Belfast and now living in Glasgow, David Ireland worked as an actor with many theatre companies across the UK including the Royal Shakespeare Company, Manchester Royal Exchange, the Citizens Theatre Glasgow and the Traverse, Edinburgh. He was Playwright-in-Residence at Lyric Theatre, Belfast, from 2011-2012 and his play, Cyprus Avenue, a black comedy about sectarian hatred in Northern Ireland, won the prestigious James Tait Black prize for drama. Ireland's new play, Ulster American, is a satire on art, politics, abuse of power and silencing of female voices. It won the coveted Carol Tambor Best of Edinburgh Award in 2018 and is being staged March 20-24 as part of the Auckland Arts Festival

11.25 Alejandro Escovedo - Mexican-American sings of the American dream

Alejandro Escovedo

Alejandro Escovedo Photo: supplied

Alejandro Escovedo is a Mexican-American singer/songwriter who was born in Texas as one of 12 children to a musical family: His brother was a member of Santana and his niece became Prince protege Sheila E - just two of many who prospered in the music industry.   Escovedo has had an eclectic career in a variety of musical genres including punk (with The Nuns), roots rock (The True Believers), and alt-country (Rank & File) before he launched a solo career that's seen him work with everyone from John Cale to Bruce Springsteen.  He recently toured Europe with Italian rock band Don Antonio, and collaborated with the  group's leader, Antonio Gramentiere on a set of songs about two young men -- one from Italy, one from Mexico -- who come to America to follow their dreams. The songs were recorded on his 2018 album The Crossing. Escovedo is playing in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch, March 15 to 17.


Books mentioned in this episode:


Fearless: The life of adventurer, equestrian and endurance rider Chloe Phillips-Harris

by Chloe Phillips-Harris

ISBN: 9781775541394

HarperCollins NZ 


Let Me Finish: Trump, the Kushners, Bannon, New Jersey, and the Power of In-Your-Face Politics

by Chris Christie 

ISBN: 9780316421805



Decriminalization of Sex Work: The New Zealand Model. An Analysis of the Integrative Sex Industry Policy in New Zealand (Aotearoa).

by Joep Rottier 

ISBN 978‐94‐6236‐884‐2

Eleven International Publishing 


The Pimping of Prostitution: Abolishing the sex work myth 

by Julie Bindel

ISBN 978-1-137-55889-3

Palgrave Macmillan   




Music played in this show

Artist: Harry Belafonte
Song: Jump in the Line
Composer: Lord Kitchener
Label: RCA
Played at: 8:55

Artist: The Secret Sisters
Song: You Don't Own Me Anymore
Composer:  Laura Rogers / Lydia Rogers
Album: You Don't Own Me Anymore
Label: New West
Played at: 10:04

Artist: Alejandro Escovedo
Song: Outlaw for You
Composer: Alejandro Escovedo/Antonio Gramentiere
Album: The Crossing
Label: Yep Roc Records
Played at: 11:25

Artist: Alejandro Escovedo
Song: Waiting for Me
Composer: Alejandro Escovedo/Antonio Gramentiere
Album: The Crossing
Label: Yep Roc Records
Played at: 11:40

Artist: Alejandro Escovedo
Song: Something Blue
Composer: Alejandro Escovedo/Antonio Gramentiere
Album: The Crossing
Label: Yep Roc Records
Played at: 11:55