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A magazine programme hosted by Kim Hill, with long-form, in-depth feature interviews on current affairs, science, modern life, history, the arts and more.

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Playing favourites with Garage Project's Pete Gillespie

17 Aug 2019

Brewer Pete Gillespie set up the Garage Project brewery in Wellington in 2011, following stints working at breweries in England and at the Malt Shovel in Sydney. At the time it opened it was the only craft beer maker operating in the city, and it grabbed people's attention by brewing 24 different beers in 24 weeks… Audio

Saturday 24 August 2019

On today’s show

08:10 Kingi Snelgar - Decolonising the justice system

Kingi Snelgar

Kingi Snelgar Photo: supplied

This week Corrections announced a new tikanga based strategy with the aim of reducing the Māori prison population from 52% to 16%.

Criminal lawyer and youth justice advocate Kingi Snelgar thinks that tikanga and prison are "chalk and cheese" and a much wider reform of the entire justice system will be required to lower the number of Māori in jail.

Kim will ask him about his vision for a decolonised justice system and his experiences working as both a Crown prosecutor and a defence lawyer within a system he experiences as both racist and broken.

Prison jail cells bars incarceration generic

Photo: Unsplash / Matthew Ansley


09:05 Sheila Coronel - The hidden casualties of Duterte's war on drugs

Journalist Sheila Coronel has been investigating thousands of extra-judicial killings in the Phillipines conducted under the guise of president Rodrigo Duterte's 'war on drugs'.

The police themselves say they have killed some 5,500 drug suspects over the past three years, and that 'unknown gunmen' have killed 3,000 more suspects. But the reporting by Coronel and her team suggest that this is a gross underestimation, with the real figure being more than 3 times the official police count in some areas. 

Other countries are looking towards The Philippines as a model in their own fight against drug abuse despite the deaths being under investigation by the United Nations.

Sheila Coronel is the Director of the Stabile Center for Investigative Journalism at Columbia University's Graduate School of Journalism.

Residents and activists chant slogans during the funeral procession of Kian Loyd Delos Santos in Caloocan, Metro Manila, Philippines, August 26, 2017.

Residents and activists chant slogans during the funeral procession of Kian Loyd Delos Santos in Caloocan, Metro Manila, Philippines, August 26, 2017. Photo: AFP


09:30 Andy Gosler - Evolutionary ecologist who found god via Richard Dawkins

Andy Gosler with a bird on his hand

Andy Gosler Photo: supplied

Birds, Richard Dawkins, and The Vicar of Dibley are some surprising inspirations behind Professor Andy Gosler's conversion to Christianity.

The University of Oxford ethno-biologist has studied the close links between people and birds in indigenous cultures and has recently been ordained as an Anglican priest.

He's a speaker at next weekend's conference 'Beyond Conflict: Evolution, Science and God' in Dunedin.and will be talking in Wellington on Monday 26th August.



10:05 Kevin Briggs  - Preventing suicide on the Golden Gate Bridge

Kevin Briggs intervening to prevent an attempted suicide

Kevin Briggs intervening to prevent an attempted suicide Photo: supplied

Kevin Briggs is a former highway patrol officer whose intervention has prevented hundreds of people from taking their lives by jumping from San Francisco's most famous bridge.

Kim will ask the self-styled 'Guardian of The Golden Gate Bridge' what his experiences have taught him about suicide, and empathy, and about the controversial construction of giant stainless steel net to catch people falling from the bridge.



golden gate bridge

Photo: Maarten van den Heuvel

Where to get help:

If it is an emergency and you feel like you or someone else is at risk, call 111.


10:30 Julie Nolan  - Bringing Janet Frame to the stage

Janet Frame

Janet Frame Photo: Reg Graham

Celebrated New Zealand writer Janet Frame's work has never been adapted for the stage.

That's about to change with a play based on her iconic novel Owls Do Cry set to premiere in her childhood hometown of Ōamaru in October, followed by performances in Auckland.

Kim will speak with director Julie Nolan from Red Leap Theatre.


11:05 Pablo Garcia Borboroglu - Protecting penguins

Pablo Garcia Borboroglu on a surf beach with penguins

Pablo Garcia Borboroglu Photo: supplied

Penguin expert Pablo Garcia Borboroglu is the founder and President of the Global Penguin Society a science-based conservation coalition which has helped protect 32 million acres of habitat and taken over 6,000 children to visit penguin colonies.

He is in New Zealand as part of the 10th International Penguin Conference, at the University of Otago, where around  80% of the world's penguin researchers are currently converging.

Tawaki or Fiordland crested penguins are marathon swimmers, and cover up to a thousand kilometres a week at sea.

Tawaki or Fiordland crested penguins are marathon swimmers, and cover up to a thousand kilometres a week at sea. Photo: CC BY-SA 2.0 Francesco Veronesi


11:40 Kate's Klassics: Toni Morrison's Song of Solomon

Poet and writer Kate Camp is in to talk about Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison, the 1977 novel by the renowned American author who died earlier this month.

The book won the National Book Critics Circle Award, and was cited when Morrison won the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1993.

Kate Camp / Cover of Song of Solomon

Kate Camp / Cover of Song of Solomon Photo: Grant Maiden / Penguin

Books mentioned in this show

Guardian of the Golden Gate: Protecting the Line Between Hope and Despair
By Kevin Briggs
Published by: Ascend Books

Song of Solomon
By Toni Morrison
Published by: Vintage