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Afternoons with Jesse Mulligan for Wednesday 2 December 2020


1:17 Conspiracy downfall of successful NZ company Lonely Lingerie

Super sleuth journalist David Farrier's uncovered the downfall of fashion label Lonely after its founders both were taken in by conspiracy theories online .

He talks to Jesse about his article outlining their descent down the rabbit hole and how it lead to shedding a huge number of staff and damaged their brand.

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1:27 RNZ podcasts make it to Apple's Top 10 for NZ in 2020

RNZ's head of podcasts Tim Watkin stops by the studio today to talk to Jesse about the success they've had in 2020 with huge numbers of NZers downloading their series.

He explains, aside from cause for celebration, how to get noticed in a crowded international podcast pool.

Tim Watkin

Photo: RNZ / Cole Eastham-Farrelly

1:37 Cam comes top of his cookery class

Earlier in the year we spoke to Cam of Cam's Food Adventure fame. He came to the rescue of our Napier colleague who had backed her car into a ditch.

Now Cam's managed to finish a cookery course he took at EIT Hawkes Bay where he came top of his class. Jesse catches up with him about his latest achievement.

1:55 Afternoons Quiz Robert Kelly

RNZ producer and onetime bookseller Robert Kelly presents his weekly quiz.

Robert Kelly

Robert Kelly Photo: John Duke

2.12 Denise Garland's podcast picks

Denise reviews the ABC's Days Like These, Reply All from Gimlet Media and Brought to You By, from Business Insider.

2:25 Bookmarks: Khylee Quince

Today's Bookmarks guest is Khylee Quince, Associate Professor and Director of Māori and Pacific Advancement at AUT School of Law. She joins Jesse in the Auckland studio to talk about some of her favourite music, movies, books and podcasts.

Khylee's choices:


The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe - CS Lewis

Midnight's Children - Salman Rushdis

Strangers in Their Own Land - Arlie Russell Hochschild

Anything Harlan Coben


Star Wars

The Godfather

Planes Trains and Automobiles 

Breaking the Waves

TV shows

Game of Thrones 


Ru Paul's Drag Race

Schitt's Creek


Duran Duran - Hungry Like the Wolf 

Paul Kelly - To Her Door

The Hu - Yuve Yuve Yu

The Specials - Pressure Drop




Teacher's Pet

BBC Great Lives

Khylee Quince, AUT Associate Professor of Law.

Khylee Quince, AUT Associate Professor of Law. Photo: Supplied

3:10 Erika Cheung - Theranos whistleblower - don't be afraid to do the right thing

Erika Cheung knew something wasn't right. Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes was telling the world she had developed  an automated device that could test tiny amounts of blood, but in the lab, it didn't work. Cheung shares her story as a Theranos whistleblower and how she learned to do the right thing when something is so wrong.  Cheung and fellow whistleblower Tyler Shultz are now co-founders of a nonprofit called Ethics in Entrepreneurship  that helps startups create a culture of honesty in their companies.

3:35 Stories from Our Changing World. All at sea - the surprising reach of river waters

Two self-driving underwater robots are making surprising discoveries about where river water ends up at sea. Alison Ballance meets NIWA coastal oceanographer Joe O’Callaghan and PhD student Khushboo Jhugroo to find out more.

NIWA's ocean glider Manaia is an autonomous underwater vehicle about 1.5 metres long, capable of spending a month at a time at sea.

NIWA's ocean glider Manaia is an autonomous underwater vehicle about 1.5 metres long, capable of spending a month at a time at sea. Photo: Dave Allen / NIWA

3:45 The Panel with Susan Hornsby-Geluk and Mark Sainsbury