Lately for Wednesday 30 September 2020

10:20 Decision 2020: New Zealand's second leader's debate

Tonight Labour's Jacinda Ardern and National's Judith Collins face off in the second of New Zealand's leader's debates.

RNZ News political journalist Charlie Dreaver is at the debate at Q Theatre in Auckland and will join Karyn Hay in the studio afterwards.

10:25 The rules and etiquette of debating

The first US presidential debate today was 90-minutes of chaotic and vicious attacks between President Donald Trump and the Democratic contender Joe Biden with more than 70 interjections.

Newshub's Paddy Gower moderated the second leaders' televised debate this evening between Labour's leader Jacinda Ardern and National's leader Judith Collins on TV3.

Karyn speaks with the president of New Zealand's University Debating Council Zachary Wong about the rules and the etiquette of debating.

10.35 Turning algae and rubbish into shoes

A Wellington based start-up is using algae, pineapple leaves, ocean plastic and bamboo to make shoes.

Karyn speaks with Jeremy Bank of YY Nation about their goal to create "the world's most sustainable shoe" by using organic and recycled material in every shoe component.

10:45 Midweek Mediawatch: debating credibility 

Hayden Donnell from RNZ's Mediawatch joins Karyn to discuss the coverage of debates in Aotearoa and the United States. He'll also be looking at how newspapers are grappling with their own difficult histories with race, and what the future of that conversation might be.