First Up - The Podcast, Thursday 23 June

On today's First Up pod - we review day 4 at the January 6 insurrection hearings; we ask the Deputy Prime Minister if it's time we move to the Red alert level setting to ease pressure on the country's emergency departments and with only one sleep to go until the first-ever Matariki public holiday, we preview RNZ's coverage and hear how youngsters will be celebrating First Up - Voice of the Nathan!