Hipkins - just like his predecessor Jacinda Ardern - uses a well-worn tactic to change the direction of a difficult interview.
An analysis of hours of interviews suggests National's leader has more positive things to say.
How Christopher Luxon and Chris Hipkins square up against the different news networks and hosts.
The words and phrases National leader Christopher Luxon says over and over again - and how they dramatically differ from Labour's leaders.
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