National MP Simon O'Connor has returned to Parliament with an apology to colleagues over a social media post that celebrated the US Supreme Court's overturning of abortion law.
Photo: RNZ / Samuel Rillstone
Speaking to media ahead of this week's caucus meeting this morning, he said he recognised the need to remove the post before being spoken to by leader Christopher Luxon, and it was no gag order.
"I have not been gagged," he said. "I am a great advocate for free speech but all rights have limits and in this case the nature of the comments - the distress, the hurt - this has to stop and I can't be facilitating it."
"We had a discussion ... I offered [to take the post down] first because ... actually it was really spiralling."
The comments on his post had become toxic and unhealthy, he said, and the hours-long delay in removing the post were because he had been busy.
"This is going to sound ridiculous, I was actually busy waterblasting down the way and I didn't have my phone on me."
He acknowledged the post as a misstep, saying he clearly had not put enough thought into it and he would be apologising to his fellow National MPs.
"One of the great things about the National Party is we can talk freely, and colleagues have told me they're upset and I acknowledge that ... National's always had a broad range of views and I'm incredibly comfortable with that."
Another National MP, Simeon Brown, apologised for liking O'Connor's post.
"I am sorry for any distress that I may have caused due to that particular liking of a post, but I also know that there's a wide variety of views on the particular issue across New Zealand, within the caucus, and also in my electorate."
He also described himself as pro-life, but said he was happy with the caucus position and regretted his response.
"We always look back on likes that we put on Facebook and Twitter and probably should think a bit more before you put a like on something."
Some constituents have called for O'Connor's removal from his seat over the matter, but leader Christopher Luxon said he stood by him. He said he supported his entire caucus and the candidate selection would be undertaken as normal ahead of the next election.
"That's going to be a decision ultimately for the National Party in Tāmaki, we will kick off selection processes in the back half of this year ... each electorate gets to choose its candidates and go through selection processes."
He said the problem with O'Connor's post was the way it was being interpreted.
"It wasn't the National Party view but it was being interpreted that way - and so it was a very simple, very quick and very constructive conversation."
National Party leader Christopher Luxon Photo: RNZ / Angus Dreaver
Luxon is open about his personal pro-life views, but has repeatedly made clear it would not impact his party's position.
"Our abortion laws are settled. We had the debate, we had the discussion. We voted on them, we settled them and they should be respected and upheld and we're not relitigating or revisiting our abortion laws."
He promised over the weekend abortion laws would not be revisited under a future National government and related health services would remain fully funded.
Deputy leader Nicola Willis takes a pro-choice stance on the issue and said she was "gutted" for America after the Supreme Court's ruling. What really mattered here however was abortion laws would not be subject to change, she said.
"I trust New Zealanders to see through the argy-bargy and the politics and to go to the heart of the matter where I think we're in a good position."
The party's spokesperson for women, Nicola Grigg, had much the same view, and rejected the accusation National MPs would individually put forward members' bills on the issue.
"They'd have to bring a bill to our caucus and our caucus would discuss it and vote accordingly - but likewise a Labour MP or a Greens MP or a Māori Party MP could bring a bill forward."
She also poured cold water on the suggestion MPs were being gagged.
"We don't have a bill in front of us, we haven't been whipped ... we're not being told what to say.
"Equally, it's not just within the National Party that there is a variety of views."
That was also true of Labour, which also took a conscience-vote approach to voting on the removal of abortion from the Crimes Act.
Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta - who is currently overseas - has been criticised for tweeting opposition to the US legal ruling despite having voted against the government's 2020 decriminalisation bill.
Fellow Labour MP Meka Whaitiri had also voted against the legislation, but today explained her position was more nuanced, and she was happy with the government decision not to relitigate it.
"Absolutely ... like I said, support women's choice, it's a health matter, that's why we took it out of the Crimes Act. I just was very clear on why I voted against it - for cultural considerations and maintaining our whakapapa in this country."
Meka Whaitiri Photo: RNZ / Dom Thomas
Her vote against the legislation was for cultural reasons, she said.
"I met with Māori women in my electorate ... for me it's a cultural issue around whakapapa, of keeping the numbers of Māori alive and also the practice of aborting children wasn't well understood in Māori circles."
List MP Anahila Kanongata'a-Suisuiki also opposed the decriminalisation of abortion - and remained opposed - but was also comfortable with how the matter had played out.
"My position has always been clear, I've always voted no ... my view has always been consistent but for me that's part of New Zealand's fabric now - women's choice for abortion. We are struggling at the moment with the cost of living, that's my focus at the moment."
Others in Labour were not opposed to the principle of abortion, but at the time had particular concerns about the 2020 legislation.
Incoming Speaker of the House Adrian Rurawhe said he had concerns about the limits for late-term abortions.
"I felt the limit at 20 weeks should have been a lot stronger ... If it had been the way it was described at the time when it was first mooted ... I would have been okay with it."
Greg O'Connor said he had also wanted a higher threshold of tests for abortions after 20 weeks.
"I personally voted against the bill last year on a very narrow basis ... I've got an intellectually disabled son, and I put an SOP (Supplementary Order Paper) in, I called it the Michael clause after him.
Greg O'Connor sought to get an amendment into the 2020 to more specifically define the restrictions on abortions after 20 weeks. Photo: RNZ / Rebekah Parsons-King
"As far as the broad issue of abortion [it's] settled law in New Zealand. If it were to come up as a broad issue I would vote for it."
Labour's MP for Te Tai Tonga Rino Tirikatene said his own position on the matter was very personal.
"My mum was advised by her doctor to have an abortion when she was carrying me so it was a very personal issue."
It was similarly personal for his Hamilton East colleague Jamie Strange.
"I didn't actually know that was Rino's situation, but my mother was also advised to have an abortion back in 1975 - she didn't, I'm here today for that reason," Strange said. "It's certainly multifaceted and I think we would both acknowledge that it is a very complex issue."
Both said they felt able to express their views.
"We are a broad church and we are genuinely a broad church," Strange said.
However, Michael Wood was at pains to separate matters of church and state.
"I'm someone who voted for abortion law reform ... who believes it's important that it's treated as a health matter. I'm also someone who's both a committed parliamentarian and a person of faith, and I think it's important that matters of public policy that there is some division.
"For individuals who carry a faith with them and or deep beliefs, it's entirely appropriate or reasonable that we consider those when we're making important decisions in our roles ... [but] it seems to me to be a concern when public institutions end up acting in a way that's more theocratic than democratic."
Minor parties weigh in
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson said O'Connor needed to offer a further apology.
"I'm not sure whether he's apologised for the comments or apologised for making the National Party look silly," she said.
"But he needs to apologise for creating distress and exploiting the distress of people whose lives will be damaged, whose wellbeing and mental and physical wellbeing will be damaged because of this abhorrent decision in the US. "
There was more work to do on improving equity of access to care - including healthcare in general, she said.
"And I don't blame it all on just Simon - this is part of the National Party, what they've always held is being able to support people with those extreme viewpoints and so I think they should all be taking the heat on this as well as Simon O'Connor who was just appalling in putting that post up.
"Poor, poor form, really insensitive, and just not reading the room at the very least ... why celebrate something that is actually going to cause distress and harm for people's lives and wellbeing, a decision to remove a right to healthcare?"
The US decision showed people should not take what politicians said for granted, she said.
ACT leader David Seymour said he was "absolutely astonished" by the Roe v Wade decision.
"I don't understand where America is going with this, obviously I despair for women in that position ... I'm proud we live in a pro-choice country, I'm proud to represent a pro-choice party where all 10 of ACT's MPs have said that they'd vote for the currently legislation."
"If you believe that the government should do as little as possible and you believe in human freedom then you're hardly going to support the government running around, chasing pregnant women trying to force them to take unwanted pregnancies to term. It's just nuts."
It was difficult to understand Luxon's personal views on the matter, but National would not get far in coalition negotiations if it did want the law changed, he said.
"What I would say is if you want to change the government, you don't want to change the abortion laws, vote for ACT."
