12 Dec 2025

Ruth Richardson still willing to debate Nicola Willis after dispute over venue

5:53 pm on 12 December 2025
Finance Minister Nicola Willis (left) has challenged her predecessor Ruth Richardson

Ruth Richardson says she is still willing to debate Finance Minister Nicola Willis "so long as it is a substantive discussion". Photo: RNZ/Reece Baker/Supplied

The Taxpayers Union (TPU) chair Ruth Richardson is still willing to debate Finance Minister Nicola Willis, and is suggesting Cameron Bagrie as a moderator.

Willis this week challenged her 1990s predecessor to a debate "anytime, anywhere" after the TPU launched a campaign criticising the coalition's fiscal management.

But the pair could not agree on a venue.

Richardson demanded agreement to have the showdown on NewstalkZB next Thursday - giving a deadline to respond - but Willis refused to have other media outlets excluded.

In a statement on Friday afternoon, the TPU said Willis had "reneged" on her challenge, but Richardson was willing to still have the debate "so long as it is a substantive discussion, rather than performative theatre".

Richardson suggested a roundtable discussion on Thursday morning "in a studio in Wellington, moderated by an appropriate economically knowledgeable journalist or commentator".

"To reflect the tone and substance of the discussion we nominate Cameron Bagrie as host - ANZ's former chief economist and former adviser to the National Party on matters of public finance - as neutral, but expert, moderator."

Richardson said the discussion would be live-streamed with a clean broadcast feed made available to all media.

Labour has criticised the debate as a "sideshow" and a distraction, while the Public Service Association union called it a "stunt" they said aimed to make Willis appear more moderate.

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