Martha C. Nussbaum is the Ernst Freund Distinguished Service Professor of Law and Ethics at the University of Chicago and is one of the world's leading legal philosophers. She is visiting Aotearoa as a guest of Victoria University of Wellington Law School where, this week, she delivered the 2018 Borrin Lecture, entitled Anger, Powerlessness, and the Politics of Blame. She talks to Kim about the climate of simmering anger in modern democracies, and the search for targets to blame. Nussbaum has authored 22 books, including the recent Anger and Forgiveness: Resentment, Generosity, and Justice, and edited a further 21. She has previously taught at Harvard University, Brown University, and Oxford University.