It has been 10 years since New Zealand took a good, hard look in the full-length mirror and asked: 'Do we need a new flag?'
Ten years ago, the first of our two flag referendums was held, voting on five designs for a new national flag.
The winner was the Kyle Lockwood flag: The Silver Fern - set in black and blue on either side.
But we know what happened next: in 2016, we voted to stick with what we knew, 57% to 43%.
Emile Donovan is joined by Kyle Lockwood himself, on the line from Australia.
The Black, White and Blue Silver Fern flag, designed by Kyle Lockwood Photo: SUPPLIED
