We may be living in historic times but it's a bad time to be a historian.
The Ministry for Culture and Heritage is disestablishing four of its five senior historian roles, to try and save money to meet new budget targets.
These historians are people who maintain the official record of New Zealand: websites like Te Ara the New Zealand Encyclopedia and NZ History.
Former Chief Historian Jock Phillips is also a former general editor for Te Ara. He joins Emile to discuss what some have called a 'war on history'.
Photo: Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand