Jock Philips is one of New Zealand's leading historians. When he was a boy, he dreamed of becoming a war hero, though that dream quickly evaporated when he was a cadet at high school. When he finally did march it was against war, as a protester of the Vietnam War. He's written many books about New Zealand, and the impact of war.
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