Michael Trengrove is obsessed with creating a first-class economy in New Zealand.
The way he wants to get there is by teaching everyone to code computer programmes. He's the founder of a group called Code Club Aotearoa.
Today New Zealand hosts the Digital Nations 2030 conference in Auckland where Michael joins Jesse from. As part of the conference a group of 8 to 12-year-old kiwi kids will teach various technology sector and Government officials how to code using Scratch. Scratch is a programming language and online community, aimed at teaching children to code.