The Panel with Clare de Lore and Michael Moynahan (Part 1)

Former Dean of the Auckland medical School Professor Des Gorman says the way health services are commissoned purchased and funded must change. Clinical psychologist Dr Jacqui Maguire talks about why we are so relaxed about social distancing in alert level 3 and why it's different to alert level 4 in our minds. Video chat app Zoom is helping people to connect while working from home, but it's also more draining than meeting with people in person, the science has been explained.