12 years on from the Pike River mine disaster, the Health & Safety body for the sector says there's still too much tolerance for workplace injury.
MinEx is funded by the sector, and tasked with keeping mines, quarries and tunnel projects free from fatalities, injuries and diseases.
Chief Executive Wayne Scott says if someone dies in the workplace in New Zealand, too many think 'shit happens' - and move on.
He compares this with Australia, where he says workplace deaths are treated very seriously.
He speaks with Kathryn, along with Jodi Goodall - a leading Australian figure in health and safety - she was a key contributor to a seminal report in Queensland two years ago which was critical of the state's record of mine and quarrying injuries and deaths.