Technology commentator Mark Pesce joins Kathryn to talk about some revelations out of this past weekend's DEF CON hacking conference, which took place online and where security researchers revealed some big flaws in our devices. They included that about one billion Android phones powered with Qaulcomm chips have a big security holes, Huawei's smartphone chips are running out and how the NSA has some tips for those concerned about security that boils down to: "don't use your smartphone".
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