From ripper grade to the All Blacks, what lies ahead for the game of rugby?
New Zealand Rugby is in financial crisis, with revenue down dramatically, half its workforce facing job cuts, and players pay set to be cut.
Super rugby begins next week in limited form in front of empty stadiums.
But the shape of other domestic competitions remains uncertain and when and where the All Blacks might play is unknown.
Kathryn talks with the CEO of New Zealand Rugby, Mark Robinson.