Outdoorsman Kennedy Warne joins Kathryn to talk about shark cage diving and the wider question of the ethics of wildlife tourism. We'll also meet the loudest bird in the world....
Left: a whale shark - the biggest fish in the ocean and right: whale shark tourists cluster around an area where the sharks are hand-fed in Oslob, Philippines.
Photo: Kennedy Warne
To embed this content on your own webpage, cut and paste the following:
<iframe src="https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/remote-player?id=2018720600" width="100%" frameborder="0" height="62px"></iframe>
for easy access to all your favourite programmes