The head of Oranga Tamariki has failed to head off opposition after appearing at an urgent Waitangi Tribunal inquiry in Wellington.
Grainne Moss conceded for the first time publicly that structural racism exists within her agency. But she insists that doesn't mean she should resign.
The Tribunal is looking in to the agency taking a disproportionate number of Maori babies from their whanau.
It comes after the Children's Commissioner Andrew Becroft called for the transfer of Oranga Tamariki powers to Maori groups.
This is the second part of the tribunal hearings after claimants made their case in October.
Claimant Lady Tureiti Moxon speaks to Susie Ferguson.