A World Health Organization doctor caused some consternation this week when he suggested that lockdowns should be the last resort to control Covid-19.
That raised eyebrows in New Zealand, given we've eliminated the virus on two occasions using lockdowns.
The other high achieving country is Taiwan, where only seven people have died of Covid-19 all without a lockdown.
So why can't we do the same?
John Hopkins is a professor of Law specializing in disasters at the University of Canterbury.