Teacher unions will meet the Education Minister Chris Hipkins on Thursday in a search for a breakthrough in deadlocked pay talks for both primary and secondary teachers.
This follows a mega-strike by up to 50,000 teachers and principals, and five weeks of rolling secondary school industrial action that began this week.
Neither the unions nor the Minister are giving interviews before the meeting. So what might it take to end the standoff?
David Fleming is an employment lawyer with extensive mediation experience. He talks to Susie Ferguson.