'Smaller the prison, better it runs' - Kim Workman

A solution to house New Zealand's growing prison population is in limbo. Waikeria's mega prison didn't get a funding boost in the budget and a replacement option is yet to be decided. Meanwhile New Zealand's prison population is nearing 11,000 and the prisons are nearing capacity. Leigh Woodman from the Sensible Sentencing Trust and former senior prison manager and reform advocate Kim Workman discuss the issue with Guyon Espiner.