He Rourou for 15 September 2010

After 45 years living in Wellington, kaumatua Topsy Ratahi was very familiar with government bureaucracies, from the inside and the outside. Today we hear the last of our archival interviews between Wena Tait and Topsy Ratahi. Today the kuia talks about the browning up of bureaurcracies in the 1980s and '90s.