It was a delicate dance as New Zealand and Australia's foreign ministers fielded media questions following their first face-to-face meeting since Covid-19.
The pair collectively described the relationship between the two countries as " very special", "warm and close", despite in recent times being at odds over a number of issues.
Senator Marise Payne and Nanaia Mahuta discussed everything from so-called 501 deportees being sent back to NZ, and the fate of mother of two Suhayra Aden, who is suspected of having links to ISIS and is currently in Turkey.
Australia has cancelled her citizenship, leaving NZ responsible for her.
As well as that, the 'dragon' in the room is China.
Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta talks to Lisa Owen.
