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KATE SCHUETZE: The way the centre is operated, it's designed to be deliberately cruel and take away the dignity of people there and so the latest reports are that a barrier was erected around the food queue making it very difficult for people to access food. The rational the guards are giving - they're saying that asylum seekers are taking too much food but of course, if they are detaining them there, they have the obligation to provide adequate food so we have this sort of downward spiral in terms of trying to create cruel and harsher conditions in order to pressure those people to return home so I think both these issues are linked together.
AMELIA LANGFORD: So you would say this is a deliberate act to make it even more unpleasant to be there?
KS: Exactly, I mean the things we were hearing when we visited in 2013 and 2014 was [for example] that a simple request for shade, as people were queuing up outside for lunch for hours in direct sunlight, was being refused and there was no rational basis for doing this other than to increase the pressure, increase the cruelty that those people are experiencing and it's designed to make the experience as uncomfortable as possible and force them to return home.
AL: And would you be calling for that barrier to be removed?
KS: Yeah, I mean, what we're seeing is a range of small measures that increase the cruelty in the meantime for those living on Manus and you know there's specific acts or steps that we've called on the Australian Government to do in the past to try and ease the pressure on those people living there and ridiculous things such as creating barriers and making it more difficult for people to access food in and of itself could amount to a violation of the prohibition against torture, if in fact it is denying people access to meals.
AL: And the pressure is increasing for these detainees to return home?
KS: Well the risk is if there is undue pressure for these people to return home, they may decide that rather than suffering on an island thousands of miles away from their family that they would prefer to go back to their families and die and some people express that concern to us when we've interviewed them, which is quite alarming because that means that the Australian Government would be breaching its obligations not to refoul people, which means sending them back to a place where they might experience torture, death or serious harm because they have been sent to a place that they were fleeing in the first place. So, the risk of that situation arising increases as that pressure builds and as more people might be returning home.
